tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27660291.post3018210498346025421..comments2023-12-06T01:42:02.251-08:00Comments on AnimalRighter: Environmentalists, Fashion Designers Re-brand Fur as “Guilt-Free”Mat Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12162399434918547569noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27660291.post-19795939824055837062015-05-31T23:27:14.937-07:002015-05-31T23:27:14.937-07:00Awesome work.Just wanted to drop a comment and say...Awesome work.Just wanted to drop a comment and say I am new to your blog and really like what I am reading.Thanks for the share<br />Mobile App Developershttp://defuzed.innoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27660291.post-59501966883938823802012-07-06T02:13:48.812-07:002012-07-06T02:13:48.812-07:00Continued:
As a vegan, and I emphasise that, I ha...Continued:<br /><br />As a vegan, and I emphasise that, I have to accept that killing, never mind suffering, is part of life even though I have chosen to minimise it as much as possible in my own life. As a vegan who has lived in the country, and been involved in human food production, I can tell you even vegans are indebted for some killing in our name. Humans being are also a terrible, invasive species. <br /><br />Therefore, I think we have to develop a more mature, inclusive ethics or philosophy, a vegan approach even to killing, not dwell at an immature level and not exploit emotional donors and supporters for donations for a problem we cannot fix. <br /><br />Part of being "ethical" is also to apply ethics to ourselves and it is time many groups had a ethical audit and were very, very honest about their effectiveness. <br /><br />In a case such as coypu or nutria, there is no argument to defend them. They are not of any great environmental or biological value. In fact, they have a negative value and suffer as they have not adopted to Northern environments. It is not economically feasible to trap them and send them back to South America, nor neuter and release them, and I am sure South America would not thank us for them. Killing them as quickly as possible is the best course of action.<br /><br />A vegan approach to this problem would be to ensure that they are killed as quickly and with the least amount of suffering as practically possible.<br /><br />Whether after death we should give each one a solemn burial, or recycle it to pay for the problem we have to resolve ... even animals have costs in today's world. I agree they should not be farmed for healthy meat, as they are in some places, but I am less concerned by what happens to species out of balance and causing damage to the greater environment. <br /><br />The management of the greater environment must come first in our value system as all species depend on it.<br /><br />Is it better to replace caged mink etc for wild coypu fur? Yes, without any doubt. Is it better (i.e. would it cause less suffering) to recycle a problem species that already have to be removed from the environment than build a factory to produce artificial alternatives made from petroleum products ... without a doubt. That is the tough realisation we vegans have to consider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27660291.post-46787221177158983752012-07-06T02:13:02.378-07:002012-07-06T02:13:02.378-07:00I've been vegan for more than 25 years and veg...I've been vegan for more than 25 years and vegetarian before that. From time to time I consider problems such as these from the point of vegan ethics. It's notable that you don't have or are not willing to offer an answer or delve in deeper than the usual emotional or accusatory level shouting shame and blame at others.<br /><br />Even if the world was to become vegan tomorrow, which it won't, we would still facing such problems. How should they be dealt with? <br /><br />Unfortunately, if the animals were released in the 1900s, legally no one can be held responsible. The fur industry is not one.<br /><br />If vegan ethics are about causing the least suffering, the least suffering for whom? In this case, we have to balance the welfare of the invasive species against the welfare of all the native species who they kill and destroy their habit. Therefore, we have to include not just those who suffer but those who suffer not having a life who otherwise have would. <br /><br />If a species such as nutria were considered to have the animal rights we would wish them in their natural environment, then one could argue that the nutria have lost or diminished them by stepping out into a natural environment which belongs to other species who have greater rights to it. And if a species such as nutria were shown to be aggressive and murderous towards indigenous species, then why should we not step in to defend the indigenous species in the same way we would to defend children from an abuser or villagers from terrorist gunmen?<br /><br />And what value do we give the environment, which supports us all? It may be a too large, vague concept without any "cute fluffy animal" value, so beloved of fund raisers for many animal groups, but any damage to the environment as a whole will also cause suffering the animals within, e.g. increased rates of cancers in grazing animals due to damage to the atmosphere, a slow starvation to all those who lose their natural habitat to an invasive species.<br /><br />Just as even if one society or the whole world was to be "made" vegan tomorrow, we would still have criminal, murderous and even terrorist mentalities to deal with. How would you propose to deal with them? In essence, species such as these are of a similar nature ... and I can think of countless examples. Yes, originally caused by human ignorance, stupidity, negligence or greed ... but now major threats to entire eco-systems.<br /><br />The vegan, environmental and animal rights movements all carry with them various baggages of the past. The baggage of earlier, historical campaigns and like an individual forced to carry a too heavy burden, the body of these movements have been distorted by the weight of those campaigns.<br /><br />"No fur" is one of the more emotive rallying cries, and fund raising devices for some organizations such as PETA, with such historical weight. Yet, for all the millions invested in it, and millions taken in donations and spent on wages and offices, it has not been successful and it has not come up with solutions for problems such as this. It has great "look at me" value and appeals to a simplistic, and highly metropolitan, view of life. A view of life which lives of great suffering ... but just exports it far away and out of sight. A great suffering that vegans are still part of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27660291.post-798130608705220352012-07-03T06:34:10.877-07:002012-07-03T06:34:10.877-07:00thanks for your blog
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